Máquina de café espresso Torino R$1.900,00

[Fernando Lopes]

Parece ser bem robusta e está aparentemente nova. Alguém conhece ? Está aqui na minha região

 

 

http://campinas.olx.com.br/maquina-de-cafe-expresso-profissional-iid-699169925

 

 

[Guilherme Torres]

Boa máquina. Já andei lendo sobre ela. Era uma das que estava olhando antes de comprar a fiamma.

[Guilherme Torres]

Essa ainda tem dosagem volumétrica (ou por tempo).

[Guilherme Torres]

É a UNIC DIVA. O preço está uma barbada, uma vez que é máquina trocadora de calor, com bomba rotatória etc

 

http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/commercial/unicdiva/latest

[Guilherme Torres]

http://www.partsguru.com/AboutUNICEspressoMachines.html#Diva%20Mono

[Guilherme Torres]

The Diva is sold in multiple group incarnations as well as the machine reviewed here, a 110 volt single group. As far as I can tell, the multi-group machines are very similar in operation to the single group machines, but I have no direct information about them.

The (single group) Diva was, I believe, espoused by the Illy Company as their espresso maker of choice for their whole-bean coffee while the vibe-pump Phoenix which looks very similar to the Diva but has painted side panels, was promoted for use with the Illy pods.

The Diva, as frequently located in used condition, may be found with one of several sorts of group heads. One is the classic Italian group with the usual shower screen. The other is a unique (Unic?!) ‘French’ group which uses a small rosette to disperse the water over the coffee. Both produce fine espresso, I am told. My machine has the French group and I feel it works quite well.

The Diva is a heat-exchanger machine. Temperature stability is assisted by the mass of the group and the large copper boiler. I have no problem ‘surfing’ the temperature for coffee which benefits from cool or warm brew water temperatures, whichever I desire. The older Diva (unlike the picture Mark has as the example for this machine) has two control boxes rather than the one you see on Mark’s modern machine. I have heard that the new control boxes are more trouble-free. I suppose this matters in a commercial environment; in practice we purchasers of used equipment will worry more about parts availablity if needed. The Illy network (as well as others) stock all of the parts needed even for the older Divas.

The left box in the older machines controls the autofill mechanism which keeps the boiler topped up. The right control box controls the shot volume dosing. Without getting into technical details, suffice it to say that the shot volumes are easily set using a small screwdriver to adjust some potentiometers in the right control box. The downside to these electronic ‘brain boxes’ is that if they malfunction they generally can’t be repaired by the DIY level tinkerer and can be expensive to replace (several hundred dollars).

The Diva portafilter is rather deep and a triple basket is available. It is all I use and a ristretto triple runs about two to two and a half ounces. This allows for the desired ristretto taste profile and also provides for more robust drinks (for instance a classic cappa can really be 2 ozs of espresso, 2 ozs of steamed milk and 2 ozs of foam, rather than needing to produce a drink with different characteristics because a double ristretto shot has less volume in the cup.)

The steam is controlled by a push button solenoid rather than a knob. This seems daunting at first given the enormous volume of steam produced by a commercial machine, but it really is easy to use and even beginners find it pretty straight forward. The steam arm is on a universal swivel which is very convenient. There are Teflon steam arms available but I have not enjoyed using these and prefer the ‘plain jane’ chromed arm. Hot water is also a push button affair and is available on the right side of the machine from a heavy chromed nozzle.

My machine is on 24/7. It is built to withstand this, and has autofill to avoid problems with evaporation emptying the boiler and exposing the elements which can then burn out. The convenience of being able to pull good espresso on a moment’s notice cannot be over-stated. We love it. Ours is plumbed into the water supply as I suspect most of them would be, and this enhances the convenience. The rotary pump is inherently quiet.

If you are going to buy a commercial machine and maintain it yourself, this would be a good choice in my opinion. The side panels, back and top all remove without difficulty, exposing all of the internal components which can then be easily adjusted or otherwise maintained. All of the usual warnings should apply so far as mixing water and electricity. This is an easy to maintain machine but it isn’t the safely sealed box you buy from the home-appliance dealer; you can get hurt maintaining any commercial gear, so use caution. Speaking of ‘box’ the Diva is no sleek, curvy home appliance designed for ‘shelf appeal’. It is a simple silver box with a shrouded group so it won’t sex up your kitchen like one of the prosumer E61 models will.

Bottom line is that this is a forgiving machine which is easy to maintain, makes great espresso and doesn’t take up as much room as many commercial machines might. Used commercial gear isn’t for the faint of heart but is a great way to have the quality of a full-fledged café in your kitchen, and the Diva is one of the easiest of the breed to maintain and operate.  Makes excellent espresso if you do your part. Not sexy but more like that wrench you inherited from your grandfather... fits your hand perfectly and always gets the job done with grace, style and ease, every time. A machine you come to rely on which won't let you down. The Hawker Hurricane of used commercial kit for your home.

[Bernardo B]

Fábrica tradicional. Inicialmente em Italia, hoje no Sul da França.

Tenho lido que restaurantes americanos gostam pela durabilidade.

Não achei informações mais detalhadas deste modelo, somente da Diva, que tem bomba rotativa é uma caldeira "grande".

http://www.coffeegeek.com/reviews/commercial/unicdiva/old_diva/1371

 

PS: citam que muitas foram vendidas com grupos para pods (sachês ?)

[Guilherme Torres]

http://www.unic-usa.com/other_manuals/Twin%20Diva.PDF

[Bernardo B]

E mesmo uma Diva, porém com o grupo Torino ...

Não achei nada sobre este grupo ... mas a distinção me faz pensar que possa ser o tal grupo para pods ...

[Guilherme Torres]

Mas aí teria que ser a pony. De qualquer forma, é uma dúvida que pode ser solucionada pelo vendedor

[Guilherme Torres]

Olha o que eu encontrei na partsguru

 

Torino - This is a basic Diva espresso machine with a Torino group head. Almost all parts are interchangeable with Diva parts.

 

3- Phoenix - Phoenix model is an Illy Cafe exclusive, marketed for selling a specific size of coffee pod sold exclusively by Illy. Originally it is a Diva espresso machine with a patented Illy pod group ring and filter holder. The Illy group head can be converted to Italian coffee group for use of regular ground coffee.(Order part # ID116 = conversion kit for conversion from Illy group to Italian coffee group).

[Guest Anita]

Então é interessante que NÃO seja a Phoenix, é isso?

[Bernardo B]

É sim, mas ainda não conseguimos descobrir a diferença entre o grupo Diva e o Torino ...

Ou, sendo tão iguais (parecidas ?), o motivo pelo que um modelo chama Diva e o outro Torino ...

 

PS: a Phoenix é para pods da Illy, mas a Torino poderia ser para outro modelo de pod, ou simplesmente um grupo normal porém com alguma pequena diferença (aquecimento, válvula de alívio, altura, termosifão, ou vai lá saber) ...

[Guilherme Torres]

De qualquer forma, uma HX parte de U$1200 lá fora. Então, mesmo que seja Pod, sendo possível trocar o grupo pelo outro e vice versa, não custa cotar na partsguru.

[Bernardo B]

Ou perguntar ao vendedor :-)

[Jose Alexandre]

A caldeira é grande, o quanto?

[Guilherme Torres]

É uma máquina compacta, então, não deve passar de dois litros.

[Jose Alexandre]

nada mal mesmo!

Ah, se o paizinho tivesse grana!

[Fernando Lopes]

He he ! Gerou bastante dizeres ... Estava pensando que só eu tinha ficado de olho. Não penso em trocar de máquina no momento, irei ficar com a Fiamma por um bom tempo.

 

Ninguém vai dar um lance ?

[Guilherme Torres]

Eu não. Acabei de adquirir a Fiamma. Estava só subsidiando, porque já tinha visto esse anúncio e ele tinha me chamado a atenção.

[Guilherme Torres]

Verificado esse negócio do grupo, quem comprar vai pagar preço menor do que custa uma Silvia aqui por uma HX.

[Wilson Jr]

Interessante     

[Guilherme Torres]

Mais um indício de que o grupo é comercial

 

http://www.shop.partsguru.com/PC-17-Group-Gasket-pair-with-27800-O-ring-4-pcs-PC-17-27800.htm

[Guilherme Torres]

PC-17 + 27800

Group head gasket for UNIC Torino, Diva, Diva Pro, Rumba and XI models. Includes #27800 O-ring.Sold as a pair for two group machine (total 4-pieces.

[Guest Anita]

Verificado esse negócio do grupo, quem comprar vai pagar preço menor do que custa uma Silvia aqui por uma HX.

Falei a mesma coisa para um amigo daqui.

[Guilherme Torres]

Fora que, visualmente, aparenta estar em ótimas condições

[Fernando Lopes]

Cadê o Japa ?

[Guilherme Torres]

Pois é, o japa perdeu aquele negócio (imperdível). Poderia checar essa. É, igualmente, uma HX. Parece estar em boas condições. Só tem que verificar o que o grupo torino representa (se é para café ou para sachê).

[Guilherme Torres]

E, pelo que andei lendo no manual da máquina, tem como ligar diretamente à rede hídrica, o que possibilitaria fazer preinfusão.

[Miyamoto]

O japa quer máquina com cara de

 

Com cara de Italian Coffee não acalma o ego..